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that is it for us tonight. i'll see you right back here tomorrow night. "ac360" starts right now. good evening. from capital hill, what a day, what a night. tomorrow from where i'm standing, pope francis will make history again. he'll address lawmakers, a first for the entire papacy as well. you can see by the look in people's eyes, a very warm greeting after what was a very long day. we've just gotten a great pair of photos from the white house photographer, pete souza, one a smiling president and a smiling pope shaking hands this morning in the oval office. the second a smiling pope and two portuguese water dogs, first
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dogs beau and sonny, we don't know if they're smiling or not or whether they're aware of what a moment they're a part of. no part will do what he'll do tomorrow or what he's done today. >> five minutes before 9:00 a.m., the pope began his day doing what those around him say he loves, getting close to his followers. outside the vatican ambassador's residence, pope francis eventually got into his fiat and his motorcade departed for the first of his many stops, the white house. 11,000 people had been invited to the south lawn to welcome the holy father. as the pontiff's fiat pulled up, president obama and first lady received him.
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they listened as "the holy sea" was played and the "star spangled banner." and the pomp and circumstance led to politics. first with the president. >> we are grateful for your invaluable support of our new beginning with the cuban people, which holds out the promise of better relations between our countries, greater cooperation across our hemisphere and a better life for the cuban people. >> he also weighed in on climate change. >> climate change is a problem we can no longer be left to a future generation. >> pope francis also touched on the international refugee crisis, immigration debate in america and income inequality.
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the president, first lady and pope waved to crowds before a meeting between the two leaders. from the white house, the papal motorcade wound through the streets of washington as thousands came out to witness history. the pope in a retrofitted jeep wrangler waved, smiled and even stopped at several points to kiss children who were brought to him. from there it was on to st. matthews cathedral to greet bishops and he didn't shy away from the sex abuse scandal. such crimes will never be that- repeated. >> later on in the afternoon pope francis arrived at catholic university to an estimated crowd of 25,000 to celebrate his first mass in the united states. the pope also canonized spanish mishry junipero serra, credited
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with spreading christianity in southern california. it was the first canonization on u.s. soil. the ceremony, the basilica of the international shrine of immaculate conception, ended at it began with much fanfare. with that the pope's first full day in america was complete. and what a day it was. john, what of the things i saw you wrote earlier today is we're seeing the emergence of a pope francis 2.0. what do you mean by that? >> well, what i mean is at the beginning of his papacy, i think the popular narrative was to sort of say francis is this hip maverick reformer who is trying to shake up a church. in other words, trying to pit him against the church, almost like the anti-church. >> and against his predecessors. >> the narrative is everything you don't like about the
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catholic church is because of the pope. and the new narrative is everything you don't like about the catholic church is in spite of the pope. what's happened as time has gone on is it's begun to bog him down inside the catholic church with people who don't feel he has their best interest at heart. it's been building. i think we're seeing it rolled out in full form here is a pope trying to do two things. one hereby is trying to correct impressions of himself as an ideological leftist. we heard him on the plane saying i'm not a lefty. there are also issues that cut right, defense of marriage and religious freedom and so on. and so i think that's one bit of it. and the other bit of it is he's been very clear, you heard him on the plane saying i'm not imposing my own views. i am speaking to the social doctrine of the catholic church.
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you heard him with the bishops today saying i speak not in my own voice but also the voice of my predecessor. the message he's trying to say is if you don't like me, if you disagree with what i'm saying, what you're really disagreeing with is the official doctrine of the catholic church. >> father, do you agree with that? when you look at actual doctrine of the catholic church, what the pope is saying is completely in line with the catholic church, perhaps putting greater emphasis on flexibility and change. >> he's provided with us a new vocabulary and framework to communicate these changes. a lot of these are not so much resistance from the people but the wave y we presented them. he tells us the language of mercy can do a lot more good in transmitting a message than
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hitting people over the head. the way that the bishops talked today was a particularly wonderful talk, a method of teaching, of encouraging his brothers but also a method of inviting people to go a little further. he praised the united states, praised the church of the united states for the great contributions of the world but said we have to go a little further. we have this massive refugee crisis and now we have to open up our doors and our hearts even wider because this is going to cause us to change. he identified himself as the son of immigrants who came here and built this very country. >> it was very fascinating to hear him at the white house today. the range of topics he's discussed, as you and i talked about earlier, is very unusual for an individual speaker at the white house. >> well, sure. you and i could come up with a list of a hundred people off the top of our heads who might discuss the defense of marriage and religious freedom but to
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imagine someone to come and talk to all of those at once, that's a sort list. i think what it illustrates is it completely defies the left/right divides in american politics. it's going to be fascinating tomorrow when he's talking to congress to see if people are willing to set aside their ideological filters and reflect on the totality of what he's saying or if the minute he's done the game of spin will begin? >> so much is placed on his humility, on the vehicles he travels in, his emphasis on mercy, on flexibility, not so much the rules but mercy and reaching out to people. in a nuts and bolts way, what does that mean for bishops in the united states, for pastors in the united states? >> what he's telling us very clearly with those choices, these are not photo opportunities, these are not cute symbols he's passing along. style is substance.
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the substance that he's communicating is hey, guys, everybody look at the way you're living. do you need all that stuff? how much is associated with your identity? to be a bishop he said today very clearly is to be a father figure who calls forth life, who doesn't produce bureaucrats but who calls people forward with a mother's heart to bring people. and the language, the symbolism tells us everything counts for him. he's doing what he's always done. he lived the simplicity in life. i don't think a lot of people pointed that out before he got to rome. he may have been considered an odd ball for doing that but he gets to rome and suddenly this becomes a great teaching device. everyone is saying, hey, do i need this big car? do i have to live like this? do i have to live like a prince? he telling us there's another way to do thing because that's the way he's constantly does it. >> we were just looking at him in the pope mobile. we get the sense he likes to interact with the crowds. how difficult do you think it
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was for him not to be out there along that route, you know, walking the line with people? >> first of all, i know a vaticl check out the mercedes. >> i love that you know a guy in the motor pool at the vatican. >> this is what covering the vatican means. there has been an arc with pope francis. he would just utterly defy security protocols and plunge into crowds willy-nilly. i said on air shortly after his election that the whole world may be charmed with this guy but his security teams is not. sales of heart medicine were off the heart at the vatican pharmacy. he had to become more controlled. he's much more allowed them to form around him. it's not that he was putting
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himself at risk, he was making life harder for the people whose job it is to protect him. >> john allen, it's great to talk to you, and father, you as well. >> later breaking news, new polling in the race for the republican nomination. there are some shake-ups as well. details ahead tonight.
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welcome back. pope francis left the catholic university not far from here. he traveled back by way of a fiat, about as far removed from one of those bullet proof limos you can find in washington. that's one reason security professionals have been spending so many sleepless nights lately. here's another. 5-year-old sophie cruz, rebuffed the first time she tried to approach the pontiff. the second time he invited her over. the daughter of undocumented immigrants, she gave this message to pope francis. my friends and i love each other, no matter our skin color. it was a moment for his security detail to worry about. for more on the unique challenges that pope francis presents, we're joined by tom
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foreman. we talked how hard this would be for security teams. today it showed some of the reasons why. >> absolutely. this all looked seamless and calm but there were undeniable moments where security agents were scrambling to maintain position and keep the pope safe from the sea of people. while you see pictures like this from the white house where it all seems calm, this is what was going on not from from there. these security gates opened at 4:00 in the morning trying to go through this massive screening of everybody around the pontiff. same thing when he rode out around the white house. we saw pictures like this, thousands of smiling faces, waving hands. look down the street here. look at the huge presence of vehicles around the pope to keep people back. look at the number of officers here. they're not just covering a quick movement from a vehicle into the building. every time he moved he was exposed for many long minutes to tens of thousands of people, both here and later at the
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basilica. if you think about it, anderson, the on time we see something like that generally with the president is during his inauguration. so in recent weeks, many barriers have been erected, things like light poles and parking meters were removed, fences put up, all to make it looked like a relaxed setting while maintaining strict limits on who could get close to the pope. anderson? >> that even extends in many cases to invited guests. >> it really does. this was quite a thing to see. think about it when he was actually inside some of these buildings. these were all people who had been invited to be here. yet, if you look closely, you can see security, security, security, security, security all over the place. and in many cases, you see this woman reaching out here with her hand? in many cases you can see them gently taking those hands and pushing them back so maybe the pope looked very calm in the middle of all of this but i can guarantee you, anderson, there were dozens and dozens and dozens of people around hip who
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were n -- him who were not. >> i want to bring in former secret service agent dan bongeno and andres vidmer. how difficult a job is it giving close protection to the pontiff when especially it's somebody who is known for wanting to be there with the people? >> yeah, it's not a -- the swiss guards are used to this. i can't really compare it. i've never protected a president. but to the swiss guards, this is something that is an every day thing. >> there's a balance between security and continuing the ministry. >> exactly. we have been taught you want to allow his ministry and optimize security around that. so the fact that he drives along and stops and kisses children and he blesses people, that's something that comes with being pope. if you take that away, you don't let him be the pope anymore and
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we don't do that. >> dan, from a secret service standpoint, it's obviously a different kind of priority, the priority i'm assuming the secret service would err on is the side of security. >> right. and we don't have to worry about ministry in our case. but, yeah, it's a unique problem with this pope, anderson. if i had to try tyreeage the issues and problems securitiwise would be his randomnesswith the president of the united states who has a commensurate threat level, he's not random. if the president says i want to stop at a lemonade stand, foshs, we want it to look extemporaneous, we set that up in advance. there's no jumping out of the car. nothing happens randomly. with this pope, i really respect his own bravery for putting his own security second. next thing you know, all the agents are scrambling to look for hands pause hands shoot, not eyes. there are very unique problems
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with this pope. >> of course, we deal with this very differently because the randomness is actually safety. and we're a much smaller core. there's only 115 of us. so we can actually handle him -- we can handle the very close protection and if he does something that's totally unexpected, it's much less dangerous than say him being at noon every sunday at the window or the wednesday audience. if he does something very unexpected, for us that's more security. >> there's so many scenes, though, where people hand him things. i saw somebody handing him a pizza once when he was driving by, somebody handing him a traditional drink. that's got to be a moment of concern. >> we're trying that he wouldn't hand it directly to him. >> so one of the guards would take that. same with the children, that you basically grab the children first and bring somebody up and while do that, you can make sure nothing wrong is going on.
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>> i don't want to talk about anything that's inappropriate so you use your judgment. but the pope mobile, obviously it's open on the sides. >> yes. >> in the real security world, he would be completely encased. >> well, think about it, anderson. in the real security world, he wouldn't be doing this, right? so there is again the o optimumization, you cover the front and you leave open the side and put people on the side. most of what we did and what we do is to protect him with our bodies. that's the close protection. a lot of the protection around, like in st. peters square, there are metal detectors to be sure the people that get in are somewhat screened. of course on a route like this when the pope is out on an open street that, is not possible. but here in the united states, i think the security has been absolutely fabulous, what i've seen. >> certainly the secret service here in the united states, i talked to the nypd and chief of
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counterterrorism the other days, chief waters, they study very closely every past attack, every past plot against a pope and others to learn each time. i mean, there was not only the shooting of john paul but there was a plot in the philippines to use some people dressed as priests, people dressed as -- in clerical garb so they could get close but all of those are studied, correct? >> i'm actually glad you brought that up. one thing about the secret service is they have no problem taking corrective action. after the reagan shooting, anderson, we never did an open arrival or departure if we didn't have to again. we always arrived in a tent with the theory being you can't shoot what you can't see. with the gas attack in panama on george bush 41, we developed a new hammer program. so, yeah, we learned from all of our mistakes and they've changed
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the protection model each time. >> dan, it's great to you have on, andreas vidmer, thank you very much. >> there's breaking news tonight, a fox news poll on the gop race for the white house. see how donald trump and others are doing. and trump's feud with fox yet again heating up. warns you about incoming cross-traffic. cameras and radar detect dangers you don't. and it can even stop by itself. so in this crash test, one thing's missing: a crash. the 2016 e-class. see your authorized dealer for exceptional offers through mercedes-benz financial services. technology empowers us it pushes us to go further.
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time that happened on american soil. he started his day at the white house where he plunged into two highly charged political debates, faith sliding with politics. >> reporter: for a man who says he's not political, it took just two sentences for pope francis to make what many saw as a political statement today at the white house. >> as the son of an immigrant family, i am happy to be a guest in this country, which was largely built by such families. >> reporter: that subtle reference to u.s. immigration policy, along with more blunt statements about climate change, have many of the same conservatives who wanted the pope to come to washington now nervous about his historic visit. >> there's one thing we know about this pope, he's not afraid to take on the status quo or not afraid to say what he really
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thinks. >> reporter: house speaker john boehner is a practicing catholic, who invited the pope to address a joint session of congress. it's a huge moment for boehner that could be embarrassing depending on what the pope said. >> i can tell you i'm not about to get myself in an argument with the pope. >> reporter: tra dditiotraditio vatican has been in alignment with the gop but pope francis is far from the traditional pope. he shine as bright line affecting the developing world including immigrant rights, climate change and economic equality. >> we support your call to all world leaders to support the communities most vulnerable to changing climates and to come together to preserve our precious world for future generations. >> reporter: this pope has played a critical role in bringing the u.s. and cuba together to restore diplomatic
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ties, making him an ally of president obama and alienating some republicans. >> he's not a political figure. my interest as an elected official is the national security in the united states. embedded in that is the belief that it's not good for the country for the people of cuba to have an anti-american dictatorship 90 miles from our shores. >> candidates like marco rubio and other candidates are trying to walk a fine line, praising the pope while dismissing parts of his agenda that liberals like. >> we'll follow the lead of pope francis. >> reporter: democrats have their own disagreements with the pope and the church's opposition to abortion and same-sex marriage. been bu even on some hot bed issues, pope francis has softened the tone. he's called on catholic to recognize and support gay people and welcomes the "precious
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support," same-sex couples provide for each other. democrats and republicans will be eager to embrace what they can when the pope face as congress that's deeply divided and in the early throes of a bitter presidential campaign. >> joining me now is anna navarro, republican strategies and supporter of jeb bush and visor to other gop candidates. you were at the white house today, immigration, poverty, climate change. those are the political issues. but from the pope's point of view, they're moral issues. they're issues of faith. should that give american politicians pause? >> anderson, i'm not sure there's much that can give the american politicians pause but i'm glad to hear your optimism. i think what they should get from this is spiritual nourishment. i don't think that we should see the pope's visit in a strictly political spectrum. i know that's hard to do in the
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united states, particularly in an election sykesle and particularly in places like d.c. and new york. but this pope is speaking from what is social policy, morals, ethics, from the teachings of the church. we don't have to agree with him on everything. we just have to kind of embrace his message of unity and openness, inclusion, peace, mercy. learn from the good lessons he's trying to teach us. >> it is interesting. the pope and obviously president obama do not agree on everything, same-sex marriage and other things but they do agree on a lot and that's a powerful alliance when and if they choose to put it on display like the president did today. >> oh, absolutely. listen, having the pope on your side is a lot better than having the pope against you. there are issues where they haven't agreed like the religious mandate -- the birth control mandate on obama, like same-sex marriage, issues of life. but there's also issues where
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they agree. and i think that's the case for most politicians, i think that's the case with so many -- maybe put on a different tank top with it. up know, we just can't judge him as a democrat or a republican. remember, this is the first time this pope sets, you know, foot in the united states. he's not a party to this. >> it's just an extraordinary trip from so many different angles. we'll talk a lot about those angles up ahead. up next, fox news release as poll on the gop race for the white house just hours after donald trump goes on a twitter ram pain against fox, which he says he's now boycotting. clrsz
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break beiing news tonight ie world of politics. donald trump says he'll reveal his tax program next week. and polls show him maintaining his lead over republican nominees. trump's lead is holding after the cnn debate where he gave very few specifics on his plans for his potential presidency. an event in charleston, south carolina earlier today, randi kay spoke to drum and asked what draws supporters to him? >> reporter: donald trump in charleston, south carolina, once again promising specifics. hello, mr. trump. a lot of people in the crowd wanted to hear specifics today. >> we're going to be doing very big specifics next week. i think you'll be happy. >> reporter: they want to be hear a tax plan. >> we're going to be giving our tax plan i would say next week in the early part of the week, we're going to have a phenomenal tax plan. >> reporter: more promises as he's greeted by members of the
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south carolina african-american chamber of commerce, who invited him to speak. trump wanted it all captured on camera. >> hi, steven, nice to see you. where's cnn? come here, cnn. >> reporter: let's hear it. i did get a quick favor. we'll do a stepover. i hear it's really nice. >> reporter: why was it important to talk here today to this group? >> well, it's the chamber of commerce and african-american and that's something very important to me. we just got some phenomenal polls from the african-american people, we have a 25% poll, which is fantastic number for a republican. we're going to do even better than that. i'm very honored. >> reporter: what trump did not mention was the september gallop poll showing just 16% of african-americans have a favorable view of donald trump. look closely. 72% have an unfavorable view. at the podium again trump only
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touted the poll that favored him. >> trump receives 25% of the black vote in general election matchup. it's unheard of. it's unheard of. and i have a lot of friends, african-americans. >> reporter: it's unclear if trump noticed how few african-americans came to watch him speak. there aren't many african-americans here, why is that? >> i'm here. >> the african-american voter is the voter who doesn't favor just the republican party. y have a tendency to believe that the democratic party primarily is the party. but when you check things out and you start listening to the candidates, i mean, your mindset can change. >> reporter: edward likes trump's plan to build a wall and
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close the southern border. he and other black voters here believe stopping illegal immigration will help more african-americans find jobs. >> i know what it's doing to really just our area, charleston in general, you know, as far as jobs, taking jobs from some people who actually may need jobs. >> reporter: do you believe what he's saying and he can accomplish it? >> i want to say do i. >> reporter: before he spoke, we asked trump if his plan would help create jobs for aft african-americans? again, he brought up those positive polling numbers. >> i think that's probably why i'm polling so well with the african-americans. >> reporter: which brings us back to the crowd. even the head of the south carolina african-american chamber of commerce would not budge when we asked about the low turnout among black voters. >> i think there's certainly a number of african-americans that are here. we have been overwhelmed with the number of people that have
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responded, both african-americans and non-african-americans. >> reporter: and what about the press? the media riser normally jammed with risers for trump, only had about a handful and not the draw of 18,000 plus he saw recently in dallas. what he lacked in attendance, he made up for by the enthusiasm of those who did turn out. >> i think he's one of the best salesmen i've ever seen. >> donald trump has been on a twitter attack against fox news this week and he said he's boycotting the network. trump tweeted "fox news has been treating me very unfairly. i've decided i won't be doing any more fox shows for the foreseeable future." do you ever notice that lightweight megyn kelly goes
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after me but when i hit back, it is totally sexist. she is highly overrated. and, quote, i think megyn kelly should take another 11 days unscheduled vacation. that was referring to off she took after the debate. >> i'm clearly talking to cnn. >> reporter: appreciate it. >> this on again/off again relationship with fox seems to be off again, at least for the time being. >> it sure does. it's like he's playing his greatest hits. it's classic for him to go after megyn kelly in particular with highly personal criticisms. trump watches all the coverage, he watches fox, he reads all the papers, he reads owl the web sites and he reacts in real
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time. that's very different from many candidates or many celebrities. many say i don't watch or read what's said about me. trump is watching. trump said they've had enough, they're fed up with the personal attacks so they're retaliating with a pretty strong statement and to take him off the airwaves. >> i guess the question is, and i'm not sure there's an answer to this, does this help donald trump with his core supporters? does it make them feel like they need to rally to his side or does it make him seem thin skinned and raise questions among those who already have questions about his temperament to actually be president. >> the kengal he has a lot of momentum coming out of august and into september. but not by the same degree he was leading before.
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maybe he lost a lit little bit of steam and that is why he's lashing out at fox. his cap pain would say, no, this is th is simply about unfair coverage by fox news. there is a divide. we're seeing fox versus trump is emblematic of the divide within the republican party. as someone who looked to the ratings every day, there's no evidence that trump fans have turned them away. we will see how long it lasts. in the past, these things have been patched over but it is a very tense and fragile relationship between the most important network among republicans and right now the republican front-runner. >> megyn kelly, who i have great respect for, seems to be doing fine in the ratings. >> she's doing her job covering trump accidepretty effectively
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i grabbed him around his back. i said good job. and it was soaking wet. i immediately -- he was drenched. >> joining me is trump's national campaign co-chairman. thanks very much for being with us. donald trump announced today he's going to be releasing his tack plan next week. can you tell us anything about what it may include, the broad strokes, if not details? >> i think if you've had a chance to read his book, the time to get tough, i think you're going to find there's a blueprint in there that will follow fairly closely. i think you're going to find there a are a lot of issues in there that will help bring capital back to the united states and that will bring jobs back to the united states. and there's nothing better in this country and the best social program in the world is a job and i think we're going to see a tremendous job creation economy coming from dronald trump and te donald trump team. >> i want to ask you about trump
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and this fox news boycott. roger stone said that the last spat with fox news was a distraction. he called it a cul-de-sac, which took away from what donald trump should be talking about, which is issues and opponents. is this fax boyco-- fox boycott distraction? >> no. i heard the person on before me talking about the conventional wisdom. there's nothing conventional going on in this campaign. if you look at the top three people in this campaign, they're all outsiders, none have held public office. there's something go on in this country that's really challenging the status quo. and i think we have people in the media and people within the republican establishment that are being challenged.
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what they are used to and they've been up against for the last 40 years is being challenged by people who have not come into this and gone through all the processes of winning elections and currying favor with donors. donald trump is not in the pocket of anyone. this is really causing a tremendous amount of consternation inside the conventional wisdom class of -- we see in the media and the political pundits. i was watching last night and i was watching a person who is an editor for a national mag gle glean --. >> you know, i guess there's a danger for your candidate in that those who claim he's thin
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skinned or doesn't have the temperament to be president, which is something that's been raised time and time again and obviously he's doing very well in the poll so a lot of people don't believe that's a narrative, doesn't the idea that he's going to he's doesn't like them quoting some pools. doesn't that sort of play in to the thin skin narrative? i think if you look this happens. this happens over time where you see people who get around the water cooler, they come up with what they think is the proper template for these things and mr. trump is challenging that.
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i think this will go on. let's take a look at what mr. 's done. mr. trump has brought back into politics, back into the narrative here democrats, republicans, independents. he's brought people back into the political process that felt disenfranchised. the republicans elected a majority senate? 2014 in what have the republicans shown the grass this populous message that we're bringing forward here that mr. trump is advancing and this motion of doing what is right, telling the truth is and doing what it best for this country is resonating with people that have not been. >> "it's a new day" tomorrow at
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in a rare moment, pope francis speaks to americans in english. >> plus, a long-awaited maes agreement in colombia. the country comes to terms with a rebel group. >> and the clock is ticking for a shiite man in saud rainbow yo who is due to be beheaded and crucified. why groups are begging to spare his life. >> here in the united states and those watching all around the world. i'm errol barnett. >> i'm rosemary church. thanks for joining us.

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